Curse

infameGW · Feb 27, 2009, 04:24 PM // 16:24

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Originally Posted by SilvanNosty

I've only got Olias :X. I'm currently working on getting Whispers, and then Livia. Anyway, I went Skill Hunting and got most the Skills I need. I just have no idea what those Weapons are that Sab mentioned.

Any help on that?

I just got a blood and curses staff, your resto nec doesn't really need one because he/she will be holding ashes most of the time...

brakner · Mar 03, 2009, 09:26 PM // 21:26

What Elite should I use on my ( n/rt ) healer? I find that with her existing healing spells and Dwayna's Sorrow on the MM I have more than enough healing. Also, since she is spamming Weapon of Warding I do not want her to overwrite it with Weapon of Remedy at always the wrong time.

I could go Offering of Spirit but I find she is kind of stuipd when it comes to using it and N/x really don't have energy issues anyway. Preservation is fun when in 4 man but 8 man it sort of bites for targeting the correct person. Leaves something like Icy Viens, I prefer not to have my healer on Defensive though...

Any ideas?

Larcen · Mar 03, 2009, 09:30 PM // 21:30

I use the following build, 14 SR and 12 Restoration, all health runes with Oola's staff without ever an issue. Even when there is no minions dieing.

[Xinrae's Weapon][Weapon of Warding][Mend body and soul][Spirit Light][Life][Foul Feast][Flesh of my flesh][Signet of Lost Souls] Or [Wielders Boon]

brakner · Mar 03, 2009, 10:50 PM // 22:50

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Originally Posted by Larcen

I use the following build, 14 SR and 12 Restoration, all health runes with Oola's staff without ever an issue. Even when there is no minions dieing.

[Xinrae's Weapon][Weapon of Warding][Mend body and soul][Spirit Light][Life][Foul Feast][Flesh of my flesh][Signet of Lost Souls] Or [Wielders Boon]

Wouldn't Xinrea's Weapon be the same issue I am having with Weapon of remedy? When I have person who is in the thick of things being stomped on my N/Rt cast Weapon of warding them immediately casts Weapon of Remedy when they take any damage. I end up having to disable an elite to stop from losing the awesome benefit of WoW.

MasterSasori · Mar 03, 2009, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by brakner

Wouldn't Xinrea's Weapon be the same issue I am having with Weapon of remedy? When I have person who is in the thick of things being stomped on my N/Rt cast Weapon of warding them immediately casts Weapon of Remedy when they take any damage. I end up having to disable an elite to stop from losing the awesome benefit of WoW.

Which is why I don't like WoW on a hero. They don't know how to use it. It's just as frustrating when they use it when [aegis] is up or when they use it to counter poison.

I just use WoR and not foul feast just because conditions are rarely a problem if you can just heal through them.

The build above needs PwK. Rather not have Rez on healer either.

brakner · Mar 03, 2009, 11:46 PM // 23:46

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

Which is why I don't like WoW on a hero. They don't know how to use it. It's just as frustrating when they use it when [aegis] is up or when they use it to counter poison.

I just use WoR and not foul feast just because conditions are rarely a problem if you can just heal through them.

The build above needs PwK. Rather not have Rez on healer either.

I was actually considering removing PwK from my N/Rt . Is a 70 party heal every 15sec really worth The loss of the 10+ extra energy along with the 40/40 enhancements while they are holding it?

infamous16 · Mar 03, 2009, 11:49 PM // 23:49

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Originally Posted by brakner

I was actually considering removing PwK from my N/Rt . Is a 70 party heal every 15sec really worth The loss of the 10+ extra energy along with the 40/40 enhancements while they are holding it?

it helps them stay alive, also.

brakner · Mar 04, 2009, 03:59 PM // 15:59

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Originally Posted by infamous16

it helps them stay alive, also.

Ok so I removed PwK and replaced it with Foul Feast

Removed Weapon of Remedy and replaced it with Ancestor Rage

I then took Livia off defensive and she still cast AR on Olias’s minions when it was up. With the extra 17 energy and 20/20 Focus and +5/20 Cane I noticed a huge difference in energy and healing power/speed even with spamming AR and Splinter Weapon she was never below 50% Energy and kept us healed even when I over aggro’d once and got 3 groups.

8+1 +1
10 Channeling
12 Restoration

[Ancestors' Rage][Splinter Weapon][Weapon of Warding][Mend body and soul][Spirit Light][Life][Foul Feast][Death Pact Signet]

I know a lot of people are dead set on an Elite or PwK, but this does work really well. It doesn't hurt the healing output and offers a fairly decent damage boost.

Super Igor · Mar 04, 2009, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by brakner

Ok so I removed PwK and replaced it with Foul Feast

Removed Weapon of Remedy and replaced it with Ancestor Rage

I then took Livia off defensive and she still cast AR on Olias’s minions when it was up. With the extra 17 energy and 20/20 Focus and +5/20 Cane I noticed a huge difference in energy and healing power/speed even with spamming AR and Splinter Weapon she was never below 50% Energy and kept us healed even when I over aggro’d once and got 3 groups.

8+1 +1
10 Channeling
12 Restoration

[Ancestors' Rage][Splinter Weapon][Weapon of Warding][Mend body and soul][Spirit Light][Life][Foul Feast][Death Pact Signet]

I know a lot of people are dead set on an Elite or PwK, but this does work really well. It doesn't hurt the healing output and offers a fairly decent damage boost.

Why the hell would you do this to your resto bar?! Its absolutely horrible!

No elite, ar isnt really good because it is effected by armor, PWK is aweasome one of the main reasons they use rits. +10 armor and one of the best party heals in game if your not using it youre an idiot. get wor or xw too because theyre nice heals.

Also, nobody uses splinter on their n/rt it gimps your bar and atts too much just get your SS to cast it.

brakner · Mar 04, 2009, 07:09 PM // 19:09

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Why the hell would you do this to your resto bar?! Its absolutely horrible!

No elite, ar isnt really good because it is effected by armor, PWK is aweasome one of the main reasons they use rits. +10 armor and one of the best party heals in game if your not using it youre an idiot. get wor or xw too because theyre nice heals.

Also, nobody uses splinter on their n/rt it gimps your bar and atts too much just get your SS to cast it.

Try using IMHO, it helps. A 70 point heal every 15 seconds that gimps your energy and 20/20 casting best group heal in the game? ok

flyhigh · Mar 05, 2009, 08:32 PM // 20:32

hi all
in hm using the three necro build i having a problem
the place is the alkali pan south of ruins of morah
its at the worm portol i know holy damage helps but i fight with heros and henches ,
they are murdering my team in seconds what am i doing wrong?
its the only place so far im looking for human help
thanks

wiz12268 · Mar 07, 2009, 06:45 AM // 06:45

Haven't tested it enough but does having the soul reaping on your healer hero outwiegh just using a ritual primary healer? Because you only get the energy boost 3 times every 15 seconds from soul reaping. And since they are holding an item 80% of the time their energy pool is already low unless you use attument runes, or throw on a couple radiant runes to get 2 or 3 more energy instead of 10-15 more hitpoints. So is getting 12 points of energy per kill going to waste sometimes?

Granted going from 12 to 14 (or more if you use something other than a minor rune) in resto isn't a huge jump in healing but is the energy conservation really that necesary? But then again I usually have eve also and she spams blood ritual nicely.

But would be interested to see if anyone has tried it with 2 necros and a rit in place of the helaer necro.

Jongal · Mar 09, 2009, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by wiz12268

Because you only get the energy boost 3 times every 15 seconds from soul reaping.

Are you serious?

Desmonthenes · Mar 13, 2009, 06:52 AM // 06:52

If I only have access to 2/3 of the necros (comp problems, EotN won't load) which of the builds should I use? I've been using the SS and MM, replacing the restorer with a tease hero.

Thanks

infamous16 · Mar 13, 2009, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by Desmonthenes

If I only have access to 2/3 of the necros (comp problems, EotN won't load) which of the builds should I use? I've been using the SS and MM, replacing the restorer with a tease hero.

Thanks

the ss and healer, then use an rt hero as the mm/minion bomber.

iVendetta · Mar 13, 2009, 08:08 PM // 20:08

Is this viable with only 2 Necromancer heroes and one Ritualist? I only have Master of Whispers, Olias, and Razah. No Livia. );

infamous16 · Mar 13, 2009, 08:53 PM // 20:53

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Originally Posted by iVendetta

Is this viable with only 2 Necromancer heroes and one Ritualist? I only have Master of Whispers, Olias, and Razah. No Livia. );

yes, ss and healer nec, rt/n minion bomber.

Super Igor · Mar 15, 2009, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Originally Posted by brakner

Try using IMHO, it helps. A 70 point heal every 15 seconds that gimps your energy and 20/20 casting best group heal in the game? ok

Dont ask me to waste my time on a bad build. Easy enough too see that a build is trsh just by looking at it.

I dont see why you should gimp your bar so much with bad skill choice so it cant even accomodate an elite and your comment about PWK is a joke.
There isn't such a thing as gimping your energy on a necro, they have virtually unlimited energy supple in pve and losing 10 energy will hadly matter since you dont use high energy cost spells. 40/40 set is pointless on a hero because they cant weapon swa, your spells are spammable enough and not that halved casting time matters in pve...lol it pve ffs. Heck 40/40 will effect PWK when they recast it and thats the only reason I would use 40/40 on my resto.
In return with PWK your squishy necro is no longer as squishy and you have fastest party heal running around.

Paul Dawg · Mar 15, 2009, 04:59 PM // 16:59

Umm...what? I use [splinter weapon] on my resto and it's devastating. It hardly gimps her bar or atts. I put 10 in channeling, 8+1+1 in soul reaping, and 12 in restoration magic. What's not to like?

I agree with all your other comments though.

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Originally Posted by Super Igor

Also, nobody uses splinter on their n/rt it gimps your bar and atts too much just get your SS to cast it.

Super Igor · Mar 15, 2009, 11:54 PM // 23:54

Yea but I mean if you want [ancestor's rage], [splinter weapon] and goodies why gimp your bar so much it can even accomodate an elite or a party wide heal right?

Leave resto to do Resto put AR/SW on the SS or MM you get more effectiveness out of your heroes this way.